Posts by Crooked Lumpy Vessel

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Does anyone remember this case in Illinois

by Crooked Lumpy Vessel in

i hope my link works.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/135032/1.ashx.

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

I hope my link works

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/135032/1.ashx

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Does anyone remember this? Murdered JWs in Illinois?

by Crooked Lumpy Vessel in

it was a long time ago....maybe about 10 years or so i was traveling to the state of illinois on business.

on the local news i saw a 21 year old red headed boy who had murdered his mother and step father when he was 17. after which he had raped his dead mother.

they were jws and i remember the news media surrounding the kingdom hall where brothers and sisters scrambled around like mice.. i believe she was pretty wealthy.

It was a long time ago....maybe about 10 years or so I was traveling to the state of Illinois on business. On the local news I saw a 21 year old red headed boy who had murdered his mother and step father when he was 17. After which he had raped his dead mother. They were JWs and I remember the news media surrounding the Kingdom Hall where brothers and sisters scrambled around like mice.

I believe she was pretty wealthy. Anyway, his attorneys had plea bargained and he was only charged for the murder of his step father and not the mother. It just so happened that when he had turned 21 he was entitled to inherit his mothers estate of millions. I remember the news media was hounding this kid and asking him why he was doing this and his reply was "it was my attorneys idea". I know people were outraged at the legal system because the plea bargain was manipulated with an alterior motive of attorneys making mega bucks for themselves and a murderer profiting from his victim.

When I returned to Virginia I never found out what the outcome was. I cant remember the boys name and the injustice of the legal system haunts me till this day.

Anyone remember?

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What Was Your Social Life Like As A Witness?

by minimus in

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my (ex)wife and i asssociated with a few other couples and was considered "popular".

how was your social life?

did you have much of one?

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

We were invited to a few group outings, feed the speakers, baby showers, etc. But I never had a sister or a brother come over or call on the phone just to say "HI" other than the "missed you at the meeting" calls. Outside of field service and meetings I had no friends.

I remember a sister once telling me that giving up all my 'wordly friends' would result in me gaining a 100 fold in friends within the organization. So over time I left my young adult friends and as the years past I was more alone than ever. If it wasnt for my bio sister and my husband I would have become a recluse. I became fearful of making friends in the world and scared of the critiquing friends at the hall.

Now that I have been out for a few years I find that I still isolate myself in unhealthy ways. I am starting to make acquaintances in our new neighborhood, but I have reservations about letting myself being liked by people.

Sounds dumb...I know...But this last year I think I am making progress.

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Latest news of my Husband Marco (heart surgery)

by orangefatcat in

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so dear friends here is the latest news about hubby's heart by- pass.. the doctor spoke with us both this evening and marco will have the surgery in a week and a half.. he is holding his own and the doctor hopes he won't have another heart attack before surgery.. there are many people that are involved with a heart team.

and so that is why we have to wait to get organized in everry way.

marco is still weak and is constantly tired.

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

I will keep Marco in my thoughts and prayers as well.

I hope the surgery goes well it sounds like it is the right direction to take.

Also, take care of yourself. Sometimes we forget about that.

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Just stopped in to say Hi

by exwitless in

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i've been so busy lately i haven't really been participating on the forum.

i have "lurked" a few times.

i don't feel like i have anything pertinent to add to any current topics, so i just thought i'd say hi.

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

Good Luck!!!

Sounds like a lot of work! I am sure you will do just fine! :)

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Ultimate Journey - Human Glider -

by AK - Jeff in

simply amazing - hold onto your heart with this one!!!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3e_8hzh7o0.

enjoy.. jeff .

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

I saw this on CNN last week. It looked awesome. I have dreams of flying sometimes and that is my safety net. I would be chicken to do what this guy did. But it looked like a blast.

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Getting Even With The Watchtower SocietyIs It Necessary?

by The wanderer in

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getting even with the watchtower societyis it necessary?at the close of their lives as jehovahs witnesses, some individuals have written books, .

created websites and others have approached the media and the legal system about the .

watchtower society.

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

I am not sure if it has to do with revenge as much as it may have to do with setting the record straight.

As a JW I was told that Jehovah was 'sweeping house' in the 70s and that apostates had intentionally infiltrated the Watchtower Society in an effort to do great harm. I was also told that those who left were only in God's organization for paradise and not for God himself. When I read CoC it came across as more of a 'setting the matter of truth' straight and the moral delimas involved in the legalistic agenda of the WTS.

When we are in court, we listen to both sides of the story. I find the WTS only offers their version of events and then scare those who dare to investigate the whole story with tactics like 'the devil is out to snare you. or that they are apostates with only one agenda -- to rip you away from Jehovah'

Once you take the leap and dare to investigate the other side of the story and discover that the WTS lied to you and that the 'so-called enemy' was speaking the truth regarding specific matters, its hard to keep quiet. Some of us lick our wounds in the corner while others feel very dedicated to exposing the lies.

The WTS spends a lot of energy diffusing outside sources of truths with scare tactics. So I think its all fair game.

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Club Meeting, America the Beautiful and the Pledge of Allegiance.....

by AK - Jeff in

all in one night.. per some good advice a few weeks back from this board, i have attended my first 'service club' meeting of my life.

carmel had suggested to try kiwanis international - and so i did.

the introduction began to break jwism's from the get-go [precisely where i am at in my paradigm].

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

I think its great. When I was a JW I never really felt as if I was really contributing to our human family or our community. Congrats!

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Any recommended readings on the 19th/20th turn of the century religions?

by Crooked Lumpy Vessel in

i have read some historical references regarding william miller and his 'end world' predictions back in the mid 1800s and how after the 'end' did not come, the religion broke off into what is now seventh day adventist and church of christ (i think).

there were also some interesting references attributing the establishment of jehovah's witnesses to william miller in a round about way, since charles t. russell was originally an adventist who broke away and started international bible students, carrying some of the same teaching but modified towards his interpretations.. i found this stuff pretty interesting history but was wondering if any one has ever written books that comment more in depth on this evolutional change in religion during the 19th and 20th centuries.

without of course the personal slant towards a belief system.

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

I have read some historical references regarding William Miller and his 'end world' predictions back in the mid 1800s and how after the 'End' did not come, the religion broke off into what is now Seventh Day Adventist and Church of Christ (I think). There were also some interesting references attributing the establishment of Jehovah's Witnesses to William Miller in a round about way, since Charles T. Russell was originally an Adventist who broke away and started International Bible Students, carrying some of the same teaching but modified towards his interpretations.

I found this stuff pretty interesting history but was wondering if any one has ever written books that comment more in depth on this evolutional change in religion during the 19th and 20th centuries. Without of course the personal slant towards a belief system. I would like to read something more on historical fact than some cultish belief.

I am particulary curious as to why in the last couple of hundreds years people have been saying it is the end times. Maybe they have been saying it forever.... I dunno. Perhaps in reality, it has been the same group of people just changing faces and renaming.

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District Conventions

by EAGLES in

i hadnt been to a d.c. in about 10 years is it really true that congragations have to sit together now????

whats up with that is it so that the elders can see who's there and who isnt.

that would blow my scam from way back when i would maybe make one half of one day and tell people i made all 4 days.

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

The sister was single, but not a pioneer and the family encouraged the daughter to rethink the decision because "you know, she is not a pioneer, she works full-time so how spiritual can she be?

This is a common practice/lie. We were constantly told not to examine the spritual gardens of our brothers, yet talks and dramas you mention have them do exactly that.

I remember a CO was supposedly giving an encouraging talk but I didnt see it that way. His talk was about a sister he was out with in service who he thought should full time pioneer. Her reply was that she was working full time and had bills to pay and what not. Then he concluded that this sister had a large house that she didnt really need and if she really wanted to she would readjust her priorities.

All I remember thinking was this poor sister was doing everything she was suppose to be doing according to WT rules and all the thanks she got was being used as a BAD example in front of the congregation.

The congregations are being judges every second of the day in every aspect of their lives.